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    Angels Fall

    Postby Hunchback Jack » 09 Mar 2013 15:52

    Did I miss this?

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    Seems like they are going through the novels from this list

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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby trang » 09 Mar 2013 19:26

    sure appears that way dont it, all the junk they are doing they post on their "the Dune saga" facebook page.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Omphalos » 09 Mar 2013 19:52

    The milk of Herbert's shit is shit-milk.

    Like these ass-smacks are going to make better anything that Herbert disliked enough to shelve.

    FUCK i hate these corpse raping douche nozzles.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby DuneFishUK » 11 Mar 2013 14:52

    Omphalos wrote:Like these ass-smacks are going to make better anything that Herbert disliked enough to shelve.


    Said it before, but I don't think they are going to "make better".

    Type up - yes.
    Correct the mistakes he made while typing it up - some of them.. oh look, a Transformer!
    Alter anything beyond a bit of word order? - Quicker they publish it, quicker the cheque comes in.

    Omphalos wrote:FUCK i hate these corpse raping douche nozzles.

    I think that's unfair - they're releasing these lost classics because they genuinely care about... lol... sorry, no - I can't say that with a straight face...
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby inhuien » 11 Mar 2013 16:37

    DuneFishUK wrote:I think that's unfair - they're releasing these lost classics because they genuinely care about... lol... sorry, no - I can't say that with a straight face...


    Even your Monkey looked embarrassed there.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby lotek » 12 Mar 2013 04:25

    "First round of corrections input in Frank Herbert"


    So that's how he calls it.

    I won't even go further than to note the use of the word "corrections"...

    Fuck it I will.

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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Mar 2013 18:48

    DuneFishUK wrote:[I think that's unfair - they're releasing these lost classics because they genuinely care about... lol... sorry, no - I can't say that with a straight face...


    You had me going there for a minute.

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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby ULFsurfer » 16 Mar 2013 22:44

    But really, why are they doing this? Does anyone here have any hunch on how many copies they've sold of "High-Opp"? I have a feeling not too many.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Nekhrun » 17 Mar 2013 09:57

    ULFsurfer wrote:But really, why are they doing this? Does anyone here have any hunch on how many copies they've sold of "High-Opp"? I have a feeling not too many.

    I'm sure he'd do it for free just to have his name attached to FH in just one more way, all while acting as if he's working to preserve the legacy. Now he's forever a footnote in history because of how he was able to glom on to yet another successful franchise.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Omphalos » 17 Mar 2013 13:35

    ULFsurfer wrote:But really, why are they doing this? Does anyone here have any hunch on how many copies they've sold of "High-Opp"? I have a feeling not too many.


    In the aggregate this stuff all adds up to something big.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby lotek » 18 Mar 2013 05:26

    Nekhrun wrote: forever a footnote in history


    I like that.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby inhuien » 18 Mar 2013 10:21

    I'm waiting for the Shopping List of Dune, Now that'll rock my world.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby ULFsurfer » 18 Mar 2013 17:47

    Maybe he does it just to fuck with us.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby DuneFishUK » 18 Mar 2013 18:50

    He does it to raise the profile of Wordfire Press.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby lotek » 19 Mar 2013 04:47

    DuneFishUK wrote:He does it to raise the profile of Wordfire Press.



    Never heard of it.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Naïve mind » 19 Mar 2013 12:22

    DuneFishUK wrote:He does it to raise the profile of Wordfire Press.


    Clever. Does Wordfire handle the print edition too? Once they've got enough momentum to fund large print runs, KJA and Brian Herbert can start self-publishing McDune. Obviously, they don't need the editing, proofreading and marketing services that a large publisher provides.
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby inhuien » 19 Mar 2013 14:22

    lotek wrote:Never heard of it.


    Well how could you hear anything when you're too busy desecrating Santa. :(
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Hunchback Jack » 19 Mar 2013 15:35

    Naïve mind wrote:
    DuneFishUK wrote:He does it to raise the profile of Wordfire Press.


    Clever. Does Wordfire handle the print edition too?


    Yes, they do.

    Why does KJA do it? So he can say that he did it. So that he can add "Frank Herbert's editor and publisher" right after "bestselling author" in his bio.

    Oh, and for the money - publishing ebooks and a small amount of print copies doesn't cost much. They wouldn't have to sell many to break even. And I'm sure KJA *loves* the fact he's bypassing those evil greedy corporate publishing houses - all the while telling himself that he's on the cutting edge of the "new publishing".

    What's really sad is that if they really cared about FH's legacy, they'd have either not published this at all, or shopped it around to the large publishers. High-Opp is, as far as I can determine, pretty much unknown to most SF readers. If it had been a headline release from Tor in the fall, touted and marketed as "Frank Herbert's lost novel", it would have sold *many* more copies, I'm guessing.

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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby lotek » 20 Mar 2013 06:10

    inhuien wrote:
    lotek wrote:Never heard of it.


    Well how could you hear anything when you're too busy desecrating Santa. :(


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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Fishreader » 27 May 2013 06:48

    Dear all,

    I'm about 60% in the book. This is NOT science fiction. This is FH writing as a jungle survival instructor. It is easy to see he is very knowledgeable in his subject-matter and his jungle descriptions are very vivid and detailed.

    It is a very tight psychological thriller where a motley crew of passengers aboard a plane (the pilot, a woman and her little boy, and an adventurer) find themselves chased by the Indians down the river deep in the jungle, with a broken motor, hungry, and faced also with the jungle in their hearts. One of them holds a big secret, the others start to suspect it and they start thinking it over and over bringing about the inner thought pattern we are familiar with through the Dune novels.

    You just don't relax while reading this, the danger of the Indians lurking in the next river bend, the school of piranha following the plane and the flock of insects (especially the INSECTS!) is omnipresent and gets to you!

    The interplay of the characters is well drawn. It's almost a game with one character to taunt the other to the breaking point (this expression is a loan from Ebert's review of Cape Fear). This is because it felt to me as a book that Cape Fear could have been loosely based on, this reads as Jungle or River Fear!

    Since this also reads at some level as a journal of their passage through the jungle (which takes very long with a broken motor), It gets kinda tedious/repetitive with reference to their day-to-day navigation down the river.

    The adventurer is also a philosophy teacher, so you have existential anxiety and introspection on top of the survival theme.

    Still 40% to go!
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    Re: Angels Fall

    Postby Fishreader » 04 Jun 2013 06:59

    Finished it yesterday night. Nothing much to add, except that in the end justice prevailed as it should!

    A final note on this is based on a couple of letters by FH to his then agents, which are included in the e-book by way of foreword.

    These letter show that FH tried repeatedly to have this book published, failed the first time round (with Lurton Blassingame in 1957), stopped his association with him and retried with another agent called Halsey. FH rewrote large parts of the original draft so that when he contacted Halsey (in 1962) the story was very different from what he showed to Blassingame.

    As FH himself wrote to Halsey the story was written with a low-budget movie version in mind. This seems to me to show that FH himself thought this to be an average story, worthy of publication perhaps in his own mind as well as being the basis for a movie but not much more than an extended script ...

    I suppose after the success of DUNE he simply couldn't/wouldn't be bothered with this story anymore
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