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    The Santarroga Barrier

    Postby Leto » 29 Mar 2008 18:49

    This FH's book is very interssant because it isn't a Sci-Fi novel.
    It is between fantasy (I think :?) and thriller (I'm sure :D ). The themes related in Sabtarroga are quite close to Dune's one : it is about drugs (Jaspe, the local Spice) and humanity and consciousness.

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    Postby orald » 29 Mar 2008 20:18

    I haven't read it yet(well, a new d/l will start soon :P ), but the Wiki' article strongly suggests it's sci-fi, and I see no problem about it.

    We've just had a thread opened that also deals with what makes sci-fi.
    Sci-fi isn't just robotic bears shooting lasers out of their eyes, though it'd be damn cool if it did. 8) :P
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    Postby inhuien » 01 Apr 2008 04:06

    The Santaroga Barrier is a wonderful wee book touching upon a few of Frank Herbert’s favourite themes of hive mentality/group consciousness, alienation and longing to belong. A must read, it’s hard to believe that it was published 40 years ago it still feels so fresh, unlike the cheese. :)
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    Postby orald » 01 Apr 2008 09:44

    I've just downloaded it yesterday, but it'll be some time before I read it.
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    Postby HoosierDaddy » 21 Apr 2008 00:02

    inhuien wrote:The Santaroga Barrier is a wonderful wee book touching upon a few of Frank Herbert’s favourite themes of hive mentality/group consciousness, alienation and longing to belong. A must read, it’s hard to believe that it was published 40 years ago it still feels so fresh, unlike the cheese. :)


    A great read.

    I'll give a brief recap with no spoilers.

    Santaroga Valley is a region of CA, and is a "barrier" to normal business because the region is almost self-sufficient. No McDonalds, no Walmarts. No outside businesses exist. Major corporations can't figure out how to penetrate the local markets, and have huge issues with buying land to build.

    So a psychologist is hired to study the area, and before he goes there, he is informed that the last 2 investigators sent died of apparent accidental deaths.

    Now add mind altering/expanding "jaspers", and you have a great story. Must read obv.
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    Postby orald » 21 Apr 2008 00:06

    In short, druggies(i.e the town/region's inhabitants) kill people. :)
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    Postby HoosierDaddy » 21 Apr 2008 00:39

    orald wrote:In short, druggies(i.e the town/region's inhabitants) kill people. :)


    In FH's style, how does a small (40K) community keep the world's biggest secret, secret? There are a few holes in the outline, but the story is excellent.

    I'm surprised this wasn't picked up for a movie screenplay.
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    Postby Omphalos » 21 Apr 2008 00:46

    HoosierDaddy wrote:
    orald wrote:In short, druggies(i.e the town/region's inhabitants) kill people. :)


    In FH's style, how does a small (40K) community keep the world's biggest secret, secret? There are a few holes in the outline, but the story is excellent.

    I'm surprised this wasn't picked up for a movie screenplay.


    Im pretty sure its been optioned. If anyone has IMDB pro, maybe you can check for us.
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    Postby orald » 21 Apr 2008 01:47

    Speaking of movie adaptations, with the success of SW and ST(contaning humans and lots of aliens) and various "detective" style movies, I'm surprised the ConSentiency hasn't been made into a movie yet.

    I'm quite sure I've said that twice or thrice... :?
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    Postby Spice Grandson » 17 May 2008 16:30

    I've always wondered if Jaspers was some sort of alien growth or a native Earth fungus. Any ideas...
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    Postby HoosierDaddy » 17 May 2008 20:59

    Spice Grandson wrote:I've always wondered if Jaspers was some sort of alien growth or a native Earth fungus. Any ideas...


    I never got the impression that the fungus was alien. The feeling I got was modern day technology "discovered" it, and by nature, the first people to come under its influence were reluctant to share it with the rest of society.
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    Postby Spice Grandson » 18 May 2008 07:35

    HoosierDaddy wrote:
    Spice Grandson wrote:I've always wondered if Jaspers was some sort of alien growth or a native Earth fungus. Any ideas...


    I never got the impression that the fungus was alien. The feeling I got was modern day technology "discovered" it, and by nature, the first people to come under its influence were reluctant to share it with the rest of society.


    It just seemed like an alien substance to me.

    SPOILER ALERT...




    When it was discovered that everyone in the town had a type of psychic/hive mind collective that operated almost independently (especially during the multiple "accidents" that almost occurred to Daisen), it seemed very un-Earth-like.
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    Postby Mr. Teg » 27 Nov 2008 21:46

    Spice Grandson wrote:I've always wondered if Jaspers was some sort of alien growth or a native Earth fungus. Any ideas...


    You mean, after spending all those Thanksgivings with Frank you don't know ! :roll:

    (Ole'Spice Pussy posted awhile back that he spent many a Thanksgiving with Frank, so he knows more about Dune than we do. Anyway, just picked up the book at the local used book store and finished reading.)

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    Postby inhuien » 28 Nov 2008 08:13

    In absentia of the wee green men I say that it's native Earth/
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    Postby Schu » 27 Dec 2008 03:50

    Me favourite behind the dunes and the white plague :) Could be made into a very cool hitchcockian film.
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    Postby inhuien » 27 Dec 2008 08:41

    Schu wrote:Could be made into a very cool hitchcockian film.


    Aye perhaps it could, but there's a snowballs chance of that one happening.
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    Postby SwordMaster » 09 Mar 2009 09:25

    SPAM ALERT ABOVE, WOW GOLD lol
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    Postby Omphalos » 09 Mar 2009 12:15

    SwordMaster wrote:SPAM ALERT ABOVE, WOW GOLD lol
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    Postby Ford4D » 26 Feb 2012 03:18

    HoosierDaddy wrote:I'm surprised this wasn't picked up for a movie screenplay.
    ^ THIS! ^


    It's shocking that Hollywood or the Herbert estate haven't cashed in on this yet.

    A few years ago, this would have been a fine candidate for an M. Night Shyamalan film.
    (From what I understand, his clout or bank-ability is not what it used to be.)
    Haven't read either of the Dune 7 books yet, so please don't spoil any details for me!
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    Re: The Santarroga Barrier

    Postby Freakzilla » 26 Feb 2012 10:18

    They would have to read the books to know which ones would make good movies. :roll:
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    Re: The Santarroga Barrier

    Postby Lundse » 26 Feb 2012 10:43

    Freakzilla wrote:They would have to read the books to know which ones would make good movies. :roll:


    Or hire a consultant to do that for them. I am sure the Herbert estate knows one... :-)
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    Re: The Santarroga Barrier

    Postby trang » 26 Feb 2012 14:43

    hollywood read books??

    Those words don't go in the same sentence.
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