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    Postby E. LeGuille » 29 Apr 2011 16:18

    Serkanner wrote:
    E. LeGuille wrote:Two things have popped up lately that I am curious about.

    On the birth certificate, his father is listed as Kenyan, and his mother American. Yet, on Wikipedia, it says Kenya did nor form until 1963, and announced a republic in 1964. How can he be claimed as Kenyan when it was still a British protectorate?

    Also, from what I understand -- if you are a dual citizen, aren't there issues then in not renouncing your citizenship before you can become president? I thought you had to be specifically a U.S. Citizen. Unless of course, his father being Kenyan was not enough.


    The name Kenya was in use before independence. Do you homework.


    Hence why I asked, because I did not know. :lol:

    HBJ wrote:As I understand it, the issue is not whether he's exclusively a U.S. citizen but whether he's been a U.S. citizen from birth by virtue of being born here. Having citizenship in other countries is not a factor either way.

    In fact, I believe the U.S does not recognize dual citizenship, but nor does it prevent it; I did not have to give up my Australian citizenship in order to become a U.S. citizen. (My wife did, being Chinese, but that was a restriction of China, not of the United States).

    HBJ


    Yeah, I figured it was based on a per country basis. My girlfriend is South African, and she has said that having dual citizenship actually has its faults. Her sister, now a citizen, was told that if she was to go through and keep both citizenships that it could be problematic if say a terrorist act is committed in America by a South African, and then the US has the ability to re-mandate the oversight and spying on a citizen if they are a dual citizen. Or something along those lines. Essentially, being a citizen of a country where there is political instability, and possible hostile action, gives the US Gov't the ability to spy on you, and mandate an investigation, which then becomes a problem when trying to attend school or get a job.
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    Postby SandRider » 30 Apr 2011 02:48

    https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wayne-madsen-foreign-intelligence-agencies-say-obama-birth-certificate-is-fake/

    Foreign Intelligence Agencies Say Obama Birth Certificate Is Fake
    April 28, 2011

    Wayne Madsen is the investigative reporter who broke the “Obama was a longtime member of Chicago gay man’s club” story last year and also wrote about the still unsolved murder of Obama’s Chicago gay lover Donald Young. Two weeks ago Madsen said his sources told him he’s on the White House’s death list.

    In a new report on Obama’s birth certificate that was released with great fanfare yesterday, Madsen says intelligence agencies around the world have scrutinized the birth certificate and decided it’s fake because of one word on the document. The word “African” was used to designate the race of Obama’s Kenyan father, at a time when neither the U.S. nor the British government (Kenya was a British colony) used that term. Instead, in 1961 the U.S. and the U.K. governments would use “Negro” and “black,” respectively, to refer to Barack Obama Sr.

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    World intelligence agencies: Obama’s long form birth certificate a rank forger

    By Wayne Madsen – April 28, 2011

    From intelligence agencies around the world, the verdict on President Obama’s newly-released certificate of live birth from Hawaii is in: the certificate is a rank forgery on the same level as the Niger “yellow cake” uranium and Iraq Oil Ministry forged documents. Intelligence and law enforcement services are experts on fake documents since they have to deal with large numbers of counterfeit documents, such as birth certificates, passports, identity cards and driver’s licenses, as well as currency. Intelligence agencies are also experts at forging their own documents for their clandestine agents.

    Within 24-hours of the release of the long form Certificate of Live Birth on April 27, intelligence agencies from Britain and China to Germany and Russia examined the document and concluded it was a forgery based on the fact that Barack H. Obama Sr.’s race, listed as “African,” was a monumental error, considering that not only the United States, but other English-speaking nations described Africans and those of African descent as either “Negroes” or “blacks” in 1961.

    In 1961, the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare classified non-Whites, who were not Asian, Eskimo, Aleut, Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, or other “non-White,” as “Negro.” The U.S. Census Bureau also used the term “Asian and other Pacific Islander” in 1961, which included Filipino, Hawaiian, and part-Hawaiian. The Census Bureau, like HEW, used the term “Negro” to describe blacks and those of black descent. The term “mulatto,” used to describe those of mixed white and black ancestry, ceased being used by the U.S. Census Bureau in 1918.

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    1961 Vital Statistics of the United States;
    U. S. Dept. of Health Education, and Welfare;
    Public Health Service;
    National Center for Health Statistics;
    National Vital Statistics Division;

    Race and color

    Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

    The category “white” includes, in addition to persons reported as “white,” those reported as Mexican or Puerto Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian. In most tables a less detailed classification of “white” and “nonwhite” is used.


    In the United Kingdom, the terms “black” and “Asian” were used in the 1961 census to describe those who were “non-white British” nationals. Barack Obama, Sr., as a citizen of the British Colony of Kenya, would have known that his British racial designation was “black” in 1961. The term “African” was not used as a racial designation in either the colony of Kenya or on the British mainland. In South Africa and other British colonies in Africa, “Coloured” was used to describe those of mixed white-black descent.

    The consensus among intelligence agency experts is that the Obama long form Certificate of Live Birth was hastily manufactured by an amateur who never thought of using the standard race designation of Negro in Barack Obama, Sr.’s racial designation block on the form either due to ignorance or an attempt to be politically correct in 2011 by refusing to use an accepted term from 1961.

    The past decade has seen the use of crude forgeries to propel the United States into a war in Iraq (the bogus Niger “yellow cake” uranium documents) and to try to indict various U.S. and foreign politicians and businessmen (the fake Iraq Oil Ministry “Oil-for-Food” documents). The Obama forged Certificate of Live Birth represents yet another attempt to perpetuate a fraud on a grand scale.


    lowtechgrannie | April 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm | Reply

    My friend, Kelleigh, fowarded me this comment from an unknown person who made some interesting observations about the year Kenya was established as a state (2 years after Obama was born) Despite British hopes of handing power to “moderate” African rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union (KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government shortly before Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, on the same day forming the first Constitution of Kenya PER WIKIPEDIA and the name of the hospital in Hawaii at the time of Obama’s birth—- different than indicated on Birth Cert: Here is a comment from a reader to George Ure at UrbanSurvival.com:
    “As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama’s birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.
    I will tell you right now that I had never given this “birther” issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.
    I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.
    First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya, East Africa”. This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could have Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.
    The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:"

    Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 meger here. http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-chil ... fault.aspx

    Robin | April 28, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Reply
    flat out false on the iraq war lie those silly intentionally disinofrmation forgeries that what not apart of the british intel given to bush or used ot justify the liberation of iraq were never seen by powell before or during his “speech” and were the reason we went to war complete silly fabrication on the part of the left which forges documents (Wilson’s italian-french intel buddies did this to sabotage and smear the Iraq campiagn and cover their own asses) then “exposes” them all the while inserting the big lie that they were aprt of any intel used to paint the picture of iraq’s threat, they werent and leftist liars like amdsen and other fools whoi claim such silly nonsense are continuing to perpetrate the sabotage campaign conducted by the commie Plame and Wilson who confirmed through their own actions and reports and etc. the fact IRAQ DID SEEK Nuclear material from Niger as well as iran, and other intle sources the rbist provided dating from 99 to 2002 provided many source in regards to ira seeking form the congo, niger, and others with confirming resources, other forms of intel masint etc and dozzens of peoples testimony along with interrupted operations by MI-5 of iraq agents operating in africa and europe….this combined with all of the 90′s proofs, the biological weapons discovery in 95 and VX in 98 and the hard intel that proved iraq was the training ground and partner/mastermind of wtc 93, okc 95, twa 96, the failed millenium plot thanks to a damn nosey border patrol agent and thw 9/11 attacks with iraqi/commie still alive “Mohammed Atta” and others who stole saudi national passports and identies. those 19 hijakcers were not “sauidis” or msot of them, or really any of them their idenities have never bene confirmed and several have proven to be false including that of a very much alive student who had his passport stolen in 95….read some Jayna Davis too while you losers are at it, and go to freerepublic.com and look up jose padilla he was there at okc mcveigh was an iraqi agent he was an intel weenie who betrayed the us and went to work for his arabs paymasters who as he explained “payed so well”



    I copy-pasta'd that as-is and sent it to My Idiot Brother (and everybody else
    on his mass-email-forwarding-list that the fucker doesn't know how to BCC)

    this link :
    http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/hi ... 1_1.CV.pdf
    is choking the shit out of my browser, but I been fightin' w/it about tryin' to open .pdf's in a tab w/adobe,
    which I can't figger how to shut off - I've got the foxit PDF reader as the default in-browser reader, but the
    adobe is a bitch ... as are all the fucking adobe products, which is why I fucking refuse to use them (BTW, anybody
    on Win7 and uninstalled other adobe products and are still getting auto-goddamn-matic "updates" as a motherfucking
    background process, PM me - I think I done rooted out all the places them cocksuckers hide their triggers in the
    Registry - and MAAAANNN, are they fucking sneaky - there's some High-Level Reach-Around between them and
    the New Assholes in Redmond; otherwise, them tight-ass devs wouldn't put up with THIS level of bullshit ...)

    the hospital site says:
    A Century of Care for Hawaii's Women and Children

    This is the story of two hospitals: Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi‘olani Maternity Home.

    Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii's mothers, Queen Kapi‘olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with “Kulia i ka nu‘u” or “Strive for the highest.”

    In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened.

    The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii's families:

    Specially-trained physicians, nurses, staff and equipment that uniquely care for children, from infants to young adults.
    The state's only pediatric emergency room and pediatric intensive care unit.
    The highest level of neonatal intensive care, with specialists on-site 24/7 to care for babies at delivery, should the need arise.
    A major training facility for the University of Hawai‘i, John A. Burns School of Medicine's Pediatric and Ob/Gyn residency programs.
    The state's first Women's Center, offering an array of screening and therapy services to improve the health and well-being of Hawaii's women.
    The state's only Breast Center, offering screening, diagnostics and cancer treatment, all in a beautiful spa-like setting.
    The state's only Women's Cancer Center, for the prevention and treatment of gynecological cancers (ovarian, endometrial, cervical, vulva and vaginal cancers).


    Imma give Earl about three days, let him forward and re-post and so forth,
    then call him an ass-hat on his FaceBook "wall", and point out that the first
    asshat can't read or reason well, and neither can "grannie"; that a comparison
    between the information on the hospital's website, the name of the hospital on
    the document, and the trip&fail of logic in the "comment" only proves that the
    internet does make you stupid, and also that if My Idiot Brother actually
    read all that before forwarding and posting and twitting and whatever,
    I'll go ahead and show the real Last Will & Testament Daddy left behind ...




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    Postby Omphalos » 30 Apr 2011 04:14

    I think I've noticed another subtle discrepancy in the documents submitted by the "president". It used the date of "August 8, 1961" but like Kenya not being an actual place then, August 21, 1961 wasn't actually a date until much later, on January 1, 1970. Up until that point the people of Hawai'i used the old system of dating. On the date, the Hawai'ian date was actually "Comeoniwannalayya 56, 976. I'm beginning to see the logic of this birther crowd. Intriguing.

    Go ahead. Look it up, motherfuckers!
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    Postby SandChigger » 30 Apr 2011 05:55

    I'm sorry, but I see a rather significant discrepancy in your date as well:

    Hawaiian doesn't use the letter C.

    (The letter was briefly used following the spelling reforms instituted by King Camona Maihausamaihaus, but since they proved so amazingly unpopular, the Queen Regent Aiwannakiyu Kanti reversed them following his suspicious demise while gorging on a nice bowl of poi...)
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    Postby ErasOmnius » 01 May 2011 17:51

    Ukelele is the Registrar? Or are they using a name that is similar to a native Hawaiian musical instrument?
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    Postby Freakzilla » 02 May 2011 09:28

    Boooo! :lol:
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 02 May 2011 13:45

    :lol: Gods, that one's pretty awesome. :lol:
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    Postby Mandy » 02 May 2011 19:24

    This one cracked me up a little too.

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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 02 May 2011 19:25

    :lol: Oh man, the list of funny things that could be done with this could be neverending! Especially since Obama's a wee bit comical looking, makes it too easy almost. :wink:
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    Postby Omphalos » 02 May 2011 19:35

    Well, now that Obama has killed bin Laden I guess he'll get my vote.
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    Postby SandRider » 03 May 2011 01:00

    hey Omph, here's another reason I wanted to know if The Tidwell could find some kind of embedded video thing
    that would take links to any video anywhere ... this was just put up on the white house YouTube channel yesterday,
    but was available all over the place right after the thing ran on cspan (I watched it & Seth's bit on the Washington
    Post site) ... it was a lot funnier then (both the bits), before all this Dead Osama shit covered the Birfers' Story up ...

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    Postby Omphalos » 03 May 2011 03:07

    If it wasn't at youtube then I suppose you could have either saved the file and uplaoded it as a document here (not sure how Freak has that configured) or saved it to photobucket or something and just posted a link here. But unless I know the format in advance, there's not too much to be done, as Raggy writes code for us as needs arise. IOW I don't know of a universal tool for video for php.
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    Postby SandRider » 03 May 2011 04:47

    okay - there's got to be something, tho - there are alot more video services out there now than
    just YouTube ... the YouTube button in the reply box has been damn handy, I'd like to see the
    potential expanded a bit ...

    >> edit

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    Postby Nekhrun » 03 May 2011 07:46

    Each site requires its own custom bb code for embedding. You can find a bunch of them already done on the phpbb forum: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=579376

    Sometimes if you suggest new ones in that thread someone will write it for you.
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    Postby Omphalos » 03 May 2011 12:37

    Nekhrun wrote:Each site requires its own custom bb code for embedding. You can find a bunch of them already done on the phpbb forum: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=579376

    Sometimes if you suggest new ones in that thread someone will write it for you.


    Any of these that are wanted? Remember, for everything that gets added, a new button will appear above, next to where teh YouTube button is. It can get crowded pretty quickly up there.
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    Re: Here You Go, Shut the Fuck UP Now, Please. Thank You.

    Postby Nekhrun » 03 May 2011 18:06

    Omphalos wrote:
    Nekhrun wrote:Each site requires its own custom bb code for embedding. You can find a bunch of them already done on the phpbb forum: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=579376

    Sometimes if you suggest new ones in that thread someone will write it for you.


    Any of these that are wanted? Remember, for everything that gets added, a new button will appear above, next to where teh YouTube button is. It can get crowded pretty quickly up there.

    The only one I could see being useful and not just for showiness is one of the spoiler tags. It doesn't even seem like even that's all that necessary here. There may be some video sharing sites that others frequent where it might be useful. I don't have any desire for more tags at the moment, but I'm willing to help find more if people are interested.
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    Postby E. LeGuille » 04 May 2011 03:16

    Yes. Spoiler tags would be great. Awesome way to make sure some NSFW stuff can be hidden too.
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    Postby SandRider » 04 May 2011 22:37

    all I know is I surf all over the place and occasionally find some video I'd
    like to put up here (and not just a link); I sorta assumed that by now there
    was some procedure for that already ...

    I'd also like to be able to embed video from photobucket and flickr -
    I'm getting into the "movie making" thing and have some vids ...
    and donot want to put them on youtube ...


    as far as the button issue, you could drop off the code, list, list=, and [*] I'd think ...
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