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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Nov 2012 15:42

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Freakzilla wrote:OK, I'll go...

Do people just vote for the president and not congressmen? What good is it to re-elect Obama and leave him with the same, no... more republican Congress?

Now we'll have at least another two years of nothing getting done.

I have the same concerns, though the worst of the Teabaggers (Michelle Bachmann excluded) seem to have been replaced. I'm guessing that in two years the Dems will retake the house as well.


Then we'll be up to 6 years of nothing having been done except a health care bill we couldn't afford.

WTF good is health care if we don't have jobs to pay for it?
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Nekhrun » 07 Nov 2012 16:29

32 months of private sector job growth after a dismal 8 year decline where the economy was losing 800,000 jobs a month doesn't do it for you, huh? If you look at the stats, it's actually government jobs that have been in decline and need to be increased.
Shoot, I guess I should've voted Romney then :roll:
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Nov 2012 18:19

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS14000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate
Labor force status: Unemployment rate
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Nov 2012 18:20

I don't think that includes people who have given up or are underemployed, so it's actually much higher.
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby SandRider » 07 Nov 2012 21:04

holy fuck, it's a little late now to start arguing the
Federal Election, ain't it ?

news flash: the corporate-whore candidate won ....
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Nekhrun » 07 Nov 2012 21:39

Freakzilla wrote:I don't think that includes people who have given up or are underemployed, so it's actually much higher.

Oh now that's what it is? That argument didn't seem to go over so well during the last administration.

I need to stay out of this fucking thread.
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Serkanner » 08 Nov 2012 02:44

I need to stay out of this fucking thread.


it is rare, but I actually agree with you on this one.
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 08 Nov 2012 03:08

Freakzilla wrote:I think there SHOULD be an amendment if they want to make healthcare a right.


Not to the Constitution - it's too hard to change. A Bill is better; it can be changed or overturned later if conditions change.

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 08 Nov 2012 03:17

Freakzilla wrote:OK, I'll go...

Do people just vote for the president and not congressmen? What good is it to re-elect Obama and leave him with the same, no... more republican Congress?

Now we'll have at least another two years of nothing getting done.


I had the same reaction, but at least the Dems got the Senate back, and it was mostly Tea Party candidates' seats they won. That means at least some hope of cooperation between the two parties to get bills passed.

Freakzilla wrote:Then we'll be up to 6 years of nothing having been done except a health care bill we couldn't afford.


... and not the right way to go about it either, IMHO, but I guess we need to guarantee those health insurance companies' profits.

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 12 Nov 2012 10:05

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Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law

November 7 | Was the election stolen? Remember all those lawsuits by Democrats demanding that any voter identification laws be repealed. Well, now we know why they filed them. They needed to steal the vote in certain key states so that Obama could be reelected.

Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20). This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney’s total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida.

Romney also likely had the states of Florida and Ohio stolen from him, which don’t require photo IDs. Ohio requires a non-photo ID. Would a library card do? Florida “requests” a photo ID, but doesn’t require it. So what happens if they request a photo ID and the illegal alien Haitian doesn’t have one? Do they just count the vote anyway?


More conspiracy theory here: http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2012 11:13

"you too ugly to vote"
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Nov 2012 17:20

Freakzilla wrote:Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law


Oh, please. :roll:

I live in one of the grey states, and personally, I'd rather there were much tighter ID laws surrounding the vote. But lax voter ID laws does not evidence for voter fraud make. Not even close.

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Visigoth » 13 Nov 2012 00:58

Some humans believe what they want to believe. The truth has nothing to do with it. Hate does. Just like during the Reconstruction, the USA is faced now with the same issues as then. The White Backlash is coming, but it doesn't matter that this behaviour is counterproductive. The Village Idiots do not care aboutthe truth. The anti Federalist cash their Social Security check just like the Federalist. I have never seen a bird feel sorry for it self. A bird will fall frozen from a bough, without having felt sorry for it self. Cry racist, cry, for you feel sorry for your self. I feel sorry for the sorry assses who want to destroy this nation with hate. My imaginary friend will have vengeance, for it is His.

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby lotek » 13 Nov 2012 03:33

i'm sorry what ?
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Re: election day (United States)

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 13 Nov 2012 07:18

Secession petitions filed in 20 states

PostsEmailBy Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 17 hrs ago

In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

From the We the People site:

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby DuneFishUK » 13 Nov 2012 14:42

baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists


Seems legit.

I hope one day your country gets a proper political left. A lot of veins popping out of people's heads on that day. :)

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 13 Nov 2012 15:54

Well, you know how those guys in Texas are, very reactionary. :wink:
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Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 13 Nov 2012 21:54

Don't a lot of those states still need federal funding in order to operate? Don't they still need goods from other states in order to thrive? If they ever were to secede, wouldn't they need passports in order for their people to visit friends and family in Union states? What if soldiers from the seceded states won't be allowed to serve in the U.S. military on the grounds of being foreigners?
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Freakzilla » 14 Nov 2012 07:21

Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:What if soldiers from the seceded states won't be allowed to serve in the U.S. military on the grounds of being foreigners?


You don't have to be a citizen to serve in the US military. You just can't be an officer.

In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permamently residing in the United States. It's important to note that the military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. One must immigrate first, using normal immigration quotas and procedures, and -- once they've established an address in the United States -- they can find a recruiter's office and apply for enlistment.
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Omphalos » 14 Nov 2012 12:28

^^^True, but we wouldn't let the enemies in now, would we? :twisted:

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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 15 Nov 2012 06:01

Freakzilla wrote:You don't have to be a citizen to serve in the US military. You just can't be an officer.


Huh. I didn't know that (about not being able to be an officer). I learn a lot on this board.

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Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 15 Nov 2012 14:43

There's more I want to learn. How are the seceded states supposed to form their own military in time, especially when the only soldiers from their states are serving the government they seceded from? Are all the seceded states supposed to have their own private armies, or do they have to make a mutual army? How are they going to get their own currency in time to pay people when the can't use federal dollars? How will the ensure the value of their new currency?
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Re: election day (United States)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 15 Nov 2012 15:20

Well, I'm only guessing, but:

How are the seceded states supposed to form their own military in time, especially when the only soldiers from their states are serving the government they seceded from?


I imagine that they would have to rely on citizens, or "defectors".

Are all the seceded states supposed to have their own private armies, or do they have to make a mutual army?


Depends whether the seceded states form their own union, or remain independent from each other.

How are they going to get their own currency in time to pay people when the can't use federal dollars? How will the ensure the value of their new currency?


There's nothing to say they can't temporarily use the original currency as legal tender. That's completely up to them. Currency is just a representation of worth (neglecting silver coins and the like). Don't many merchants in Switzerland accept both Euros and Swiss Francs, for example?

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