
like a said, my mind is wasted - I'm gonna cut the power and go see if the Mitsubishi can find its way home!
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like a said, my mind is wasted - I'm gonna cut the power and go see if the Mitsubishi can find its way home!
Freakzilla wrote:I think whe would have known instantly upon successfully transmuting the Water of Life who all her female ancesters were.
They were described as being links of sausages (Mmm... sausage...), her mother would have been the very first one.
SandChigger wrote:Freakzilla wrote:I think whe would have known instantly upon successfully transmuting the Water of Life who all her female ancesters were.
They were described as being links of sausages (Mmm... sausage...), her mother would have been the very first one.
I'm not so sure I agree completely on her knowing "instantly": she was rather busy at the time with the Sharing with Ramallo.
There's mention of her taking time to get acquainted with the new (Other) memories she has been given, but nothing immediately about her inspecting her own OM.
Anyway, not only Jessica but Paul and Alia would also have known that Mohiam was their grandmother. At no time is there ever any acknowledgement of any such relationship by either. Or for that matter by any of the four (Mohiam, Jessica, Paul or Alia).
Freakzilla wrote:...AND LETO MENTIONS THE NAME OF JESSICA'S MOTHER!
Futar wrote:I believe at the end when Alia confronts the Baron she even greets him, "Hello grandfather"
However, with Mohiam it's just the TP confusion iirc and no mention of relation.
Why would she call out the Baron and kill him, yet do nothing in regards to Mohiam?
Futar wrote:I believe at the end when Alia confronts the Baron she even greets him, "Hello grandfather"
"We will fall back into space and reform," the Emperor said. "Baron, my apologies. These madmen are attacking under cover of the storm. We will show them an Emperor's wrath, then." He pointed at Alia. "Give her body to the storm."
As he spoke, Alia fled backward, feigning terror: "Let the storm have what it can take!" she screamed. And she backed into the Baron's arms.
"I have her, Majesty!" the Baron shouted. "Shall I dispatch her now-eeeeeeeeeeeh!" He hurled her to the floor, clutched his left arm.
"I'm sorry, Grandfather," Alia said. "You've met the Atreides gom jabbar." She got to her feet, dropped a dark needle from her hand.
[Paul] had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: "Hello, Grandfather." The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him.
Either way, there's no reason why she wouldn't have made similar comments to her grammy.SandChigger wrote:Futar wrote:I believe at the end when Alia confronts the Baron she even greets him, "Hello grandfather"
* WARNING * WARNING * POTENTIAL LYNCH CONTAMINATION DETECTED * WARNING * WARNING *"We will fall back into space and reform," the Emperor said. "Baron, my apologies. These madmen are attacking under cover of the storm. We will show them an Emperor's wrath, then." He pointed at Alia. "Give her body to the storm."
As he spoke, Alia fled backward, feigning terror: "Let the storm have what it can take!" she screamed. And she backed into the Baron's arms.
"I have her, Majesty!" the Baron shouted. "Shall I dispatch her now-eeeeeeeeeeeh!" He hurled her to the floor, clutched his left arm.
"I'm sorry, Grandfather," Alia said. "You've met the Atreides gom jabbar." She got to her feet, dropped a dark needle from her hand.
Although, admittedly, maybe you were remembering this:[Paul] had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: "Hello, Grandfather." The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him.
Nekhrun wrote:SandChigger wrote:Futar wrote:I believe at the end when Alia confronts the Baron she even greets him, "Hello grandfather"
* WARNING * WARNING * POTENTIAL LYNCH CONTAMINATION DETECTED * WARNING * WARNING *"We will fall back into space and reform," the Emperor said. "Baron, my apologies. These madmen are attacking under cover of the storm. We will show them an Emperor's wrath, then." He pointed at Alia. "Give her body to the storm."
As he spoke, Alia fled backward, feigning terror: "Let the storm have what it can take!" she screamed. And she backed into the Baron's arms.
"I have her, Majesty!" the Baron shouted. "Shall I dispatch her now-eeeeeeeeeeeh!" He hurled her to the floor, clutched his left arm.
"I'm sorry, Grandfather," Alia said. "You've met the Atreides gom jabbar." She got to her feet, dropped a dark needle from her hand.
Either way, there's no reason why she wouldn't have made similar comments to her grammy.
Although, admittedly, maybe you were remembering this:[Paul] had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: "Hello, Grandfather." The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him.
"That child is an abomination!" the old woman said. "Her mother deserves a
punishment greater than anything in history. Death! It cannot come too quickly
for that child or for the one who spawned her!" The old woman pointed a finger
at Alia. "Get out of my mind!"
I don't think this had anything to do with OM, Alia seemed to have some kind of TP ability... which FH never mentions again. Unless you count Paul using Leto II's infant eyes in the end of DM.
TheDukester wrote:SandChigger wrote:Because they have no discernment, and probably can't tell what FH would have eventually used or had already discarded in his mind?
I've always wondered about this aspect of the alleged "notes." Are all of the notes dated? My strong hunch would be "no, not even close."
So, in theory, Keith and Bobo are free to pillage wherever and whatever they like, not caring that they might be using old, outdated notes that FH clearly didn't intend to actually use (or else discarded completely when the story went in another direction). Then, following the inevitable criticism, the Idiots Squared can always smirk and say, "we got it from the notes."
What a farce.
Ampoliros wrote:Hint: The universe is much like web yes, but it is the empty spots as much as the threads that make it up.