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    Re: DE is open

    Postby SadisticCynic » 28 Jan 2010 13:09

    SandChigger wrote:
    I could see a whole new method of Internet divination developing from this... You type in a question, google, take the text from the nth hit and feed it into Translate and bounce it back and forth a number of times and then inspect the results for your answer.


    I dread to think what you may have started with that comment...
    Ah English, the language where pretty much any word can have any meaning! - A Thing of Eternity
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    Re: DE is open

    Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » 28 Jan 2010 14:04

    A new Dune tarot ? :wink:


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        Re: DE is open

        Postby SandChigger » 28 Jan 2010 18:05

        Mmm mmm mmm ... sorry, my vision seems to be clouded....

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        Re: DE is open

        Postby Lionel Horsepackage » 10 May 2010 19:01

        SandChigger wrote:Basically, he didn't write it. Even if he input ideas, even if he contributed passages that got incorporated by the other contributors, he didn't write the whole thing, so it's not canon.

        The content of things FH wrote, like notes and outlines and even chapter sketches, but didn't publish, or even things that got cut in the publication process (like those chapters in The Road to Dune)—none of that stuff is canon, either.

        Only what FH wrote and published is canon. Anything else is just interesting materials. Anything written by anyone else is fan fiction.

        It's actually quite simple. :)

        Actually, I have to clarify something about this particular point, here -- as a practicing IP attorney, I can tell you that, for all intents and purposes, "canon" is defined in a legal sense by the rights-owners of a given property, which in this case is Herbert Properties, LLC. As such, they nominally possess the legal right to define the parameters of what constitutes the Dune canon, whether it encompasses the later, approved pastiche works of Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson, or Frank Herbert's works alone.

        Just as an example, if tomorrow Herbert Properties decides to declare those unpublished chapters in The Road to Dune to be "more" canonical than those in the actual completed, published novel, then suddenly those chapters would become canonical. There's really nothing we, as fans, can do about this, apart from complaining about it on our message board forums. 8-) Similarly, the same strictures hold true for other licensed, shared-universe properties: only George Lucas (the still-living creator of Star Wars) has the power to declare which elements from various works are canonical and which are not in that universe; while Paramount Pictures holds the final say-so in declaring the same for any elements related to the Star Trek property (despite Gene Roddenberry's attempted control over this area after TNG first went into production).

        So...like it or not, the prequels and inter-quels are canonical, but for the record, here, I personally do not consider them to even remotely be such. That's where another big distinction can be made -- "legal" canon versus "personal" canon, which I think many more of us on these boards are apt to use, to distinguish our feelings about the pastiche-works from the original Frank Herbert books.

        Now, on the other hand, if you were to say that the KJA/BH novels do not fit into the "canon" of Frank Herbert's own personal output...you'd be absolutely, 100 percent correct. (Which I think is what you were really saying, in your earlier post, there.)
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        Re: DE is open

        Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » 10 May 2010 19:21



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            Re: DE is open

            Postby Lionel Horsepackage » 10 May 2010 19:37

            Well, "legal," from the standpoint of being defined by a given property's owners (Lucasfilm, the Herbert Trust, Paramount, etc.). That was just a term I used to clarify the differences between that particular variety of canon, and "fandom canon" (or personal canon), outside of its original religious/ecclesiastical contexts.

            For instance, George Lucas is still the final, buck-stops-here authority on canonicity in the SW universe, but he still allows for a tiered system of canon to exist in that setting (films and animation, followed by novels, comics, and video games, followed by "apocryphal" material), right alongside his own filmed projects. It all depends on which property/universe you're talking about, as each one operates slightly differently from others.
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            Re: DE is open

            Postby SandChigger » 10 May 2010 19:38

            Meh.
            I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

            I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

            I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA
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            Re: DE is open

            Postby DuneFishUK » 11 May 2010 16:59

            The operation of a property is at the copyright holder's discretion.

            Sometimes a copyright holder is unable to tell his arse from his elbow.
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            Re: DE is open

            Postby Lionel Horsepackage » 11 May 2010 18:09

            My point exactly -- as the entire post-Frank Herbert Dune novel-foofaraw pretty much demonstrates.
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