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Cloning today

Postby Nebiros » 17 Apr 2009 05:42

Please forgive me for not doing my homework on this subject of cloning. :oops: I've been meaning to discuss this for a long time.

Human cloning today is possible. Animals including a sheep and a dog have been cloned. I believe the way you do it is to take a cell (a skin cell for example. Or do only stem cells work?) and inject it into an egg within a female. Unlike sperm, it creates an exact duplicate. I don't know the specifics. But that would mean a woman could give birth to herself.

I don't want to get into the subject of the difference between a ghola and a clone so let's just call it duplicates.

Now this means that Dune's axlotl tanks are not necissary to create duplicates. You do not need to turn a woman brain dead and inflate her body up and attach tubes to her to turn her into a factory to create a duplicate of anyone. Of course we did not know how to create clones back in the 1980's when the last of Franks Dune books were published. But there is still other reasons for axlotl tanks. With axlotl tanks the Tlielaxu can refine their duplicates. Make them more docile, give them certain skills. In other words, they have complete control over how they want the duplicate to be like.

Human cloning has not taken place yet but it's noly a matter of time since we now have the basic knowledge. If I am ever cloned in the future, I'll be proud to know now that I am the original.

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Re: Cloning today

Postby Nekhrun » 17 Apr 2009 07:22

That's quite an ego. What makes you think you'd be better than a clone of yourself. With any luck any mistakes made with you could be corrected and the clone would be better. (He may never go through a kja phase).

I'm all for cloning and wish people would get off their high horse about it and let people do what they want with their own DNA. I like to leave mine everywhere I go. :whistle:
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Apjak » 17 Apr 2009 08:03

First, clones should be thought of as mere identical twins of different ages. If you cloned Hitler he would merely share Hitler's exact DNA.
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Second, Gholas are made from the cells of the deceased and according to Duniverse Mythos, would share cellular memories even if merely subconcious deja vu.

All aside, human cloning, whatever. It's going to happen, if it hasn't really yet, and the generations that grow up with them will probably think nothing of it. What interests me is if we can and will create "monster" creatures to grow genetic duplicate organs for us, and if the engineering can eventually bring us to a point of immorality. What kind of blow would that be to the culture of human "Wild" breeding.
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Omphalos » 17 Apr 2009 12:41

This whole tread is just disgusting. I am mortified. Sickos.

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Re: Cloning today

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Apr 2009 15:07

Is there a need to clone humans except for organ harvesting?

I mean, is there a shortage of babies?

It may be a fortunate technology to have one day though, just in case.
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Re: Cloning today

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 17 Apr 2009 15:19

Freakzilla wrote:Is there a need to clone humans except for organ harvesting?

I mean, is there a shortage of babies?

It may be a fortunate technology to have one day though, just in case.


That's pretty much how I look at cloning, a great way to get organsin the future (and maybe a good way to get steak...mmmmm clone steak. The could just grow giant slabs of the best meat).
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Re: Cloning today

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 17 Apr 2009 16:39

Baraka Bryan wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Is there a need to clone humans except for organ harvesting?

I mean, is there a shortage of babies?

It may be a fortunate technology to have one day though, just in case.


That's pretty much how I look at cloning, a great way to get organsin the future (and maybe a good way to get steak...mmmmm clone steak. The could just grow giant slabs of the best meat).



i wonder how copyright laws will be affected by it... suppose a certain restaurant has an amazing steak that they clone and serve; it'd be interesting to see if they could trademark or copyright it


That's exactly what will happen. This is already being done with crops, I did a research essay on genetic engineering last term.

In the US (land of the lawsuits of course) there was a feild growing a specialized crop strain - but the wind blew a bunch of the seed ontoo a neighbor's feild, who unsuspectingly harvested it with the rest of his crops. The owner of the first feild sued the second farmer for theft and won. :?
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Omphalos » 17 Apr 2009 16:47

Freakzilla wrote:Is there a need to clone humans except for organ harvesting?

I mean, is there a shortage of babies?

It may be a fortunate technology to have one day though, just in case.


Cloning would be great to have incase herds of animals get wiped out by disease, or natural populations fail. Most of hte organ harvesting problem I hope will one day be addressed through stem cell research.

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Re: Cloning today

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 17 Apr 2009 16:57

Omphalos wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Is there a need to clone humans except for organ harvesting?

I mean, is there a shortage of babies?

It may be a fortunate technology to have one day though, just in case.


Cloning would be great to have incase herds of animals get wiped out by disease, or natural populations fail. Most of hte organ harvesting problem I hope will one day be addressed through stem cell research.


That's generally what I mean when I say cloning for organs, no point to growing a who human (and it'd be extremely immoral)
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Tio_Holtzmann » 18 Apr 2009 16:25

I still think nanotechnology has a greater potential than genetic research.
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Re: Cloning today

Postby SandChigger » 18 Apr 2009 20:57

Nekhrun wrote:let people do what they want with their own DNA. I like to leave mine everywhere I go. :whistle:

Don't you mean come? :P

Nebiros, what the fuck? This is the same goddamned shit you posted over on Dune Novels. You're getting to be as bad as KJA, duplicating his blahgs all over hell and back.

Don't start out begging forgiveness for laziness. (Or further laziness: not tailoring your content to each place you post it is LAZY. KJA LAZY.) Do your "homework" and then post. That way you might actually understand how cloning is done.

And there's no need for some stupid new term like "duplicates". A ghola is a fictional concept. Clone is fine for use.

If I am ever cloned in the future, I'll be proud to know now that I am the original.

What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? Proud of what? Two hairless primates from branches of the tree divergent for several tens of millennia get together and fuck and squirt out an offspring a bit denser and noisier than the norm, versus someone intentionally creating a clone of said noisy offspring ... what's to be proud of?

As Schu asked over on Dune Novels, "what were YOU meaning to discuss" here? :roll:

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Re: Cloning today

Postby inhuien » 19 Apr 2009 06:18

Him discuss? From what I've seen it's more his style to piss on a fire and complain about getting splashed. Clone bone moan.
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Re: Cloning today

Postby SandChigger » 19 Apr 2009 07:59

Quite.

He'd be better served (and his wife better serviced?) if he spent more time "boning", if you know what I mean. ;)

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Re: Cloning today

Postby Redstar » 20 Apr 2009 05:44

Need I bring up selfcest?

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Re: Cloning today

Postby Freakzilla » 20 Apr 2009 06:08

You mean, if you have sex with your clone is it homosexual or just masturbation?
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Freakzilla » 20 Apr 2009 08:52

Baraka Bryan wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:You mean, if you have sex with your clone is it homosexual or just masturbation?


lol... what about if you have an anti-clone like Hwi/Malky?


I'd never leave the house. :wink:
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Rakis » 20 Apr 2009 09:35

Freakzilla wrote:You mean, if you have sex with your clone is it homosexual or just masturbation?


:think:

Thank God, I'm never gonna have to answer that question...
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Re: Cloning today

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 20 Apr 2009 13:09

Rakis wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:You mean, if you have sex with your clone is it homosexual or just masturbation?


:think:

Thank God, I'm never gonna have to answer that question...


Definitely homosexual.
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Redstar » 20 Apr 2009 16:57

I already discussed this for over three pages with Schu when I first joined. Definitely homosexual, at least a little bit. But technically masturbation.

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Re: Cloning today

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 20 Apr 2009 17:04

Redstar wrote:I already discussed this for over three pages with Schu when I first joined. Definitely homosexual, at least a little bit. But technically masturbation.


Not masturbation at all, a clone is not you, in any way, no more than twins are the same person.
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Redstar » 20 Apr 2009 17:21

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Redstar wrote:I already discussed this for over three pages with Schu when I first joined. Definitely homosexual, at least a little bit. But technically masturbation.


Not masturbation at all, a clone is not you, in any way, no more than twins are the same person.

You just call it masturbation to avoid the moral issues behind it... Case in point, fuck your hot ass twin and it's just "masturbation".

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Re: Cloning today

Postby SandChigger » 20 Apr 2009 19:43

And they say I have issues? :roll:

So Thang has a hot-ass twin? :shock:

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Re: Cloning today

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 21 Apr 2009 01:06

SandChigger wrote:And they say I have issues? :roll:

So Thang has a hot-ass twin? :shock:


:shock: Since when? What'd I miss?
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Re: Cloning today

Postby Schu » 21 Apr 2009 01:17

Freakzilla wrote:You mean, if you have sex with your clone is it homosexual or just masturbation?


Or is it just HAWT?

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Re: Cloning today

Postby SandChigger » 21 Apr 2009 03:53

Go take a cold shower already, Schubi.

(And don't send people pix this time. :roll: )

A Thing of Eternity wrote: :shock: Since when? What'd I miss?

Evidently a little prick.

:shock:

Er, I mean, PIN prick, when whoever it was harvested the cells used to... Oh, nevermind. :oops:


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