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Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 17 Jul 2012 03:21
by inhuien
Hypathia?

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 17 Jul 2012 05:02
by lotek
isn't that the crazy admin of that dead Dune website that used to ban like... crazy ?
Or am I confused, again ?

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 17 Jul 2012 06:53
by Freakzilla
Yes, Arrakeen.

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 17 Jul 2012 08:09
by inhuien
ahh yes.

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 18 Jul 2012 21:04
by Kralizec
artistagent116 wrote:I've always wondered about the "revelation" in this book (Heretics of Dune) about the Axolotl Tanks being human women. Did anyone else go "Whoa!" when that was disclosed? All along, I figured the tanks were mechanical....not organic. The idea never entered my mind that the tanks were not some perhaps plasteel or plaz...liquid-filled...man-made vessel. Did I miss initial clues to the contrary? Could FH have had this purpose all along? Was he waiting for the latter part of the saga to expose this? Or did he one day decide to elaborate on the tanks for us, and create this shocking portrait? Or did I simply miss something?


I don't know at what point FH settled on the form of the Tleilaxu regime, but he had been thinking about aspects of their regime for years before he published Heretics of Dune. Hellstrom's Hive, published in the 1970s, is about a human city somewhat resembling an ant nest or bee hive. The Hive's rulers have developed technology resembling the axlotl tanks, which they call merely "stumps," inasmuch as only the trunk is kept and used. In Hellstrom's Hive, the "stumps" and their use are described much more clearly or "graphically" than in the Dune novels. Moreover, the Hive have a subordinate class that are chemically neutered. They make their way in the world partly by means of infiltrating ordinary human society with Hive members who retain loyalty to the Hive, but outwardly imitate the human beings among whom they live.

Another, related question is: Why did FH develop the Tleilaxu and Hive regimes? I think he was exploring questions as to the best life, whether for one man or for a polity. I think he thought our way of life has much to recommend it, but I think he was both serious and playful about exploring the strengths and weaknesses of alternatives.

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 18 Jul 2012 21:19
by Freakzilla
The Green Brain?

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 18 Jul 2012 23:48
by Kralizec
Freakzilla wrote:The Green Brain?


Given the timing of your reply, you may have been replying to me, but since I haven't read that story, I can't make the connections. Is it interesting? What's it about? (I admit, the title has always seemed so cheesy, it's just put me off!)

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 19 Jul 2012 07:32
by Freakzilla
Kralizec wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:The Green Brain?


Given the timing of your reply, you may have been replying to me, but since I haven't read that story, I can't make the connections. Is it interesting? What's it about? (I admit, the title has always seemed so cheesy, it's just put me off!)


I'm sorry, wrong book. I was thinking of:

Hellstrom's Hive (1973) is a science fiction novel written by Frank Herbert. It is about a secret group of humans who model their lives upon social insects, and the unsettling events that unfold after they are discovered by a deeply undercover agency of the US government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellstrom%27s_Hive

Re: Hellstrom's Hive

Posted: 19 Jul 2012 23:38
by Kralizec
Freakzilla wrote:Hellstrom's Hive (1973) is a science fiction novel written by Frank Herbert. It is about a secret group of humans who model their lives upon social insects, and the unsettling events that unfold after they are discovered by a deeply undercover agency of the US government.


Well, yes, except that I think there are indications that the Agency is modeled on a non-governmental group with a Chief who has never been seen by anyone, a visible head who affects to be from a Kingdom elsewhere, members who do not have children, and a rumored, secluded playground to which the members are said to retire when their work on earth is done. :)

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 21 Jul 2012 20:35
by Jodorowsky's Acolyte
Back to the topic of the tanks. I take it that they still have their heads attached? Well, at least they do in the prequels, but we'll disqualify BH & KJA's descriptions for the moment. So I take it that they either combine hunks of flesh from the women to create a tank, or they just keep the body but remove maybe limbs and appendages? When the Axotl tanks are giving birth, are they in a sitting position, lying on their backs, or standing up? Or are they just hanging in the air from mechanical suspenders?

Either way, I do wander how they manage to keep the reproductive functions of the female body still functioning when it is mangled and perverted as it is by the Tleilaxu. :?:

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 21 Jul 2012 22:05
by Nekhrun
I would think that they'd get rid of any appendage they could so that it didn't waste the body's energy and resources when all of it should go to growin' stuff.

I'm guessing no arms, no legs and a head that includes little more than a brain stem capable of directing the body's functions (I doubt they used machines to keep them alive or assist in any way). So that probably means that there was no need for eyes, ears or nose as well.

Re: Axolotl Tanks.....what do you think?

Posted: 22 Jul 2012 04:26
by inhuien
Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:Back to the topic of the tanks. I take it that they still have their heads attached?
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Either way, I do wander how they manage to keep the reproductive functions of the female body still functioning when it is mangled and perverted as it is by the Tleilaxu. :?:


Firstly. there's certainly no mention of the BG volunteers being decapitated, Secondly the BT have breed tanks for thousands of years, they don't modify a standard female. These fucker can breed beasts that can steal your memories a bit of replumbings not going to trouble them, tanks make tanks.