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    wormholes

    Postby distrans » 10 Feb 2018 23:29

    so to be clear

    once their propagated

    do you then move into them

    or do you remain still while they envelope your position...
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    Re: wornholes

    Postby georgiedenbro » 15 Feb 2018 14:17

    Do you mean wormholes within context of folding space like the Guild does? Because that's not the tech used in this series, I believe.
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    Re: wormholes

    Postby distrans » 18 Feb 2018 12:15

    yes,
    its assumed the guild uses wormholes to 'fold' space?
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    Re: wormholes

    Postby georgiedenbro » 19 Feb 2018 12:45

    distrans wrote:yes,
    its assumed the guild uses wormholes to 'fold' space?


    No. Or rather, I should say that this is never mentioned in the text. My basic assumption is that "being many places at once" is a property relevant to being an oracle, and the Holtzmann engines, which employ science no one really understands, tap into the same structure in the universe that the oracle does when he can see the future or other places. The term "folding space" is a shorthand for having two distinct places meet as if adjacent to each other, but in terms of what's physically happening the story doesn't say. But none of what we understand would go into wormhole travel is mentioned in the story, so I'm fairly confident to say that is not what's happening. They're doing something else here, and I suspect it's a thing not currently present in current scientific theory (even as a wild notion).
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    Re: wormholes

    Postby Omphalos » 19 Feb 2018 16:27

    I don't think that Herbert said anything clearly about wormholes at all. The term "wormhole" implies to me an area that is outside of normal space, where the rules of physics are different, or a conduit from one area of space to another where the rules are different.

    But the term "folding space" implies to me that they never leave normal space, and instead use something else, like an artificial gravity well, that curves space artificially (just as a sun, or a black hole do) to make the traveling distance in normal space from one point to another lesser. So, rules of speed and velocity are the same, you just do not have to go as far.

    None of this comes from the book though. More from being a SF-geek. Is there anything in the text I am forgetting about distrans?
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    Re: wormholes

    Postby Omphalos » 19 Feb 2018 16:31

    Actually, isn't there something about "motionless movement" or something like that? Can't recall if that is from the books, or just what I got from the movie. But if from the books it may be that they are bending space to such a degree that two points separated by vast distances are placed right next to each other by bending space around them, so no thrusting engine is needed.

    Pretty sure there is some thread around here where I used the classy image of a boogar on a piece of paper to illustrate the concept.
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    Re: wormholes

    Postby distrans » 19 Feb 2018 23:19

    no Omphalos
    I'm not bringing any reading of dune to bear here

    the spiritual nature of the powers that navigators possessed and which paul and alia and leto surpassed to me didn't translate into an ability to transcend physicality. there were simply aids in directing motion more suscessfully

    and having a hand on more of its controls than most mortals

    ive always like the pictures of ships simply shimmering out of existance
    as if once a passage was established it took no more access them than to let the electrons in orbit of your physical existance swing around the longside of their orbits and boom your there

    always thought the emporer asking how navigators journey from IX had been was odd...
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