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    The Navigators

    Postby Iganahl » 05 Oct 2008 17:54

    I am new here, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. The Navigator is the Lynch film (as I've read here) was mainly for exposition and a "cool" special effects development (for the time period). But in relation to the book (skimmed through a few portions of it, and it's been awhile, so I have forgotten some of the details), were the navigators mentioned in detail? I have no memory of it being in the book, and don't remember that situation in the book where the tank-navigator meets up with the Emperor. Was that scene in the film completely fictionalized to present information from the book? Plus, a remember another scene with that same navigator floating around in space. Was that also just another exposition piece to demonstrate how spice folds space for guild travel? Once again, it's been awhile since I've read the book and watched the film, so some of it's a bit hazy. I've recently gained a new interest in Dune, however. Thank you in advance for any clarification.
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    Postby Freakzilla » 05 Oct 2008 18:33

    Iganahl wrote:I am new here, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. The Navigator is the Lynch film (as I've read here) was mainly for exposition and a "cool" special effects development (for the time period). But in relation to the book (skimmed through a few portions of it, and it's been awhile, so I have forgotten some of the details), were the navigators mentioned in detail? I have no memory of it being in the book, and don't remember that situation in the book where the tank-navigator meets up with the Emperor. Was that scene in the film completely fictionalized to present information from the book?


    Completely fictionalized.

    Plus, a remember another scene with that same navigator floating around in space. Was that also just another exposition piece to demonstrate how spice folds space for guild travel? Once again, it's been awhile since I've read the book and watched the film, so some of it's a bit hazy. I've recently gained a new interest in Dune, however. Thank you in advance for any clarification.


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    Postby Lisan Al-Gaib » 05 Oct 2008 19:51

    Freak, be a little more nice with our new fellow! :D

    Welcome, man!

    Well, if your are curious about how the navigator are, you should read the DUNE MESSIAH, the sequel to DUNE written by Frank Hebert, the only real writer of the Dune universe.

    In one of the first chapters of the book, there is a description of how a navigator is. They have a fish-like appearance, you can find a lot of draws of a navigator in the web.

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    Postby Ghost » 05 Oct 2008 19:58

    The movie one had a vagina as a mouth :(
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    Postby Freakzilla » 05 Oct 2008 20:19

    Lisan Al-Gaib wrote:Freak, be a little more nice with our new fellow! :D


    What? I answered his question!

    We have a whole forum for introductions.

    Edric, the navigator who is described in Dune Messaih is described as humanoid with elongated, webbed limbs.
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    Postby Rakis » 05 Oct 2008 22:27

    I wonder if they'll show one in the upcoming movie...i'm betting it will be called Norma... :vomit:
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    Postby SandChigger » 06 Oct 2008 02:40

    Ghost wrote:The movie one had a vagina as a mouth :(

    If it had teeth in there we could have a Naked Lunch crossover! Oooh! :shock:
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    Postby inhuien » 06 Oct 2008 05:37

    SandChigger wrote:
    Ghost wrote:The movie one had a vagina as a mouth :(

    If it had teeth in there we could have a Naked Lunch crossover! Oooh! :shock:


    Oh too easy :) Ghost just where have you been sticking it? :P

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    Postby Nekhrun » 06 Oct 2008 09:02

    Someone just gave me a book with drawings of species from different sci-fi books. I'll try to get the navigator scanned in soon.
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    Postby Omphalos » 06 Oct 2008 11:34

    SandChigger wrote:
    Ghost wrote:The movie one had a vagina as a mouth :(

    If it had teeth in there we could have a Naked Lunch crossover! Oooh! :shock:


    Or based on Hyppo.
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    Postby Omphalos » 06 Oct 2008 11:35

    Nekhrun wrote:Someone just gave me a book with drawings of species from different sci-fi books. I'll try to get the navigator scanned in soon.


    Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials?
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    Postby Ampoliros » 06 Oct 2008 11:44

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    Postby Nekhrun » 06 Oct 2008 11:59

    Omphalos wrote:
    Nekhrun wrote:Someone just gave me a book with drawings of species from different sci-fi books. I'll try to get the navigator scanned in soon.


    Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials?

    I believe that's the one. :wink:
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    Postby chanilover » 06 Oct 2008 15:35

    Omphalos wrote:
    SandChigger wrote:
    Ghost wrote:The movie one had a vagina as a mouth :(

    If it had teeth in there we could have a Naked Lunch crossover! Oooh! :shock:


    Or based on Hyppo.


    *giggles*

    Someone told me about a condition where teeth grow in vaginas. :lol: There's even a name for it - Vagina Dentata, which soundds like a song from The Lion King. It doesn't really happen to anyone, apart from old crones from Red Deer. Check out this link -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
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    Postby SandChigger » 06 Oct 2008 17:59

    NORMA CENVA WAS A MAN!

    Think about it.

    Navigators are always men. There is no mention of a female navigator in any of FH's books, only in The Encyclopedia and the crap by KJA and The Other Guy.

    It has to do with the nature of prescience in the Duniverse: men have it stronger than women. For Norma(n) to be a Navigator (THE FIRST Navigator even)...she had to be a he!

    In the inferior, alternate Duniverses some would have us accept, Aurelius discovered the truth only after they'd tied the knot, and his pride wouldn't let him divorce her or let the secret get out. Their five children were actually fathered by Norman on a forgotten surrogate.

    IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! :shock:


    (Speaking of the Old Tail of Red Deer, anyone heard anything more about her planned "Krazy Koncubine Koonts of Kaitain" fanfic? I figure she's working up the background info and characters for this year's NaNoWriMo. ;) )
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    Postby Freakzilla » 06 Oct 2008 19:27

    But FH didn't say Norma was a navigator, just a ship designer... and mother.
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    Postby Nekhrun » 06 Oct 2008 19:58

    Nekhrun wrote:
    Omphalos wrote:
    Nekhrun wrote:Someone just gave me a book with drawings of species from different sci-fi books. I'll try to get the navigator scanned in soon.


    Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials?

    I believe that's the one. :wink:

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    Postby Freakzilla » 06 Oct 2008 20:35

    A little of that info is made up.
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    Postby Rakis » 06 Oct 2008 22:12

    The one from the Mini-series is the best lookin...
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    Postby TheDukester » 06 Oct 2008 22:23

    That's a great book. I just re-purchased it used from an Amazon seller after originally owning a copy years ago.
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    Postby SandChigger » 07 Oct 2008 04:23

    Freakzilla wrote:But FH didn't say Norma was a navigator, just a ship designer... and mother.

    Yeah, but he got SO MANY of the details wrong...and he LEFT OUT a bunch of shit...and he was a SLOW WRITER!

    :P
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    Postby Freakzilla » 07 Oct 2008 08:27

    SandChigger wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:But FH didn't say Norma was a navigator, just a ship designer... and mother.

    Yeah, but he got SO MANY of the details wrong...and he LEFT OUT a bunch of shit...and he was a SLOW WRITER!

    :P


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    Postby Lisan Al-Gaib » 07 Oct 2008 08:49

    Nekhrun wrote:Image


    WOW, I liked this one! It's going to make part of my Dune pics Collection.
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    Postby SandChigger » 07 Oct 2008 15:58

    Too many digits. :roll:
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    Postby Freakzilla » 07 Oct 2008 16:56

    SandChigger wrote:Too many digits. :roll:


    Just imagine the nose picking that guy can accomplish!
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