Chapter 02

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Re: Chapter 02

Postby Serkanner » 09 Mar 2018 11:15

Well. That is one complete answer. Thank you.
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Re: Chapter 02

Postby Freakzilla » 09 Mar 2018 11:54

Serkanner wrote:Well. That is one complete answer. Thank you.


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Re: Chapter 02

Postby distrans » 14 Mar 2018 09:05

has anyone every done a treatise on dune from the economic perspective?

I take it we don't know much about CHOAM and the laandsrad...

its puzzling to me that they could control spice mining for decades and NOT be among the top players in the realm

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Re: Chapter 02

Postby georgiedenbro » 15 Mar 2018 15:09

distrans wrote:has anyone every done a treatise on dune from the economic perspective?

I take it we don't know much about CHOAM and the laandsrad...

its puzzling to me that they could control spice mining for decades and NOT be among the top players in the realm


Better question would be "what is CHOAM"? Based on what we learn in Dune it would seem to be an organization running in parallel with the Landsraad, the one being the economic side of the Empire and the other being the mercantile side. In reality there's probably not that much distinction between the players in each, where the strongest in one would be the strongest in the other (in the case of this book, the Emperor). One exception might well be in the cases of the Atreides and Harkonnens, where the Harkonnens have become powerful in CHOAM but perhaps not as influential in the Landsraad, whereas the Atreides aren't that wealthy and so not that influential in CHOAM but are conversely very influential in the Landsraad.
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Re: Chapter 02

Postby distrans » 15 Mar 2018 17:21

lets put it this way

the imperium was satisfied with the way the barron did his business there for decades

hard to believe that suddenly he failed short to some metric he was being judged on

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Re: Chapter 02

Postby georgiedenbro » 16 Mar 2018 14:00

distrans wrote:lets put it this way

the imperium was satisfied with the way the barron did his business there for decades

hard to believe that suddenly he failed short to some metric he was being judged on


Are you asking why the Arrakis fiefdom was taken away from the Baron and given to the Atreides?
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Re: Chapter 02

Postby distrans » 16 Mar 2018 18:31

no,
I'm asking why having the mining right wasn't the next best thing to being the emperor

oh, and I'm curious as to how old the baron was at the time?

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Re: Chapter 02

Postby Freakzilla » 16 Mar 2018 21:55

distrans wrote:no,
I'm asking why having the mining right wasn't the next best thing to being the emperor


Because the emperor held a majority of CHOAM holdings plus the Sardaukar and the Great Houses that backed him. Spice, allthough very important, was a very small part of CHOAM.

oh, and I'm curious as to how old the baron was at the time?


81 at the beginning of the book.
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Re: Chapter 02

Postby distrans » 17 Mar 2018 02:04

did the baron inherit his animosity toward the atreides?

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Re: Chapter 02

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Mar 2018 07:16

distrans wrote:did the baron inherit his animosity toward the atreides?


Apparently the two families had been feuding since the Battle of Corrin.

"There'll be much bloodshed soon," she said. "The Harkonnens won't rest
until they're dead or my Duke destroyed. The Baron cannot forget that Leto is a
cousin of the royal blood--no matter what the distance--while the Harkonnen
titles came out of the CHOAM pocketbook. But the poison in him, deep in his
mind, is the knowledge that an Atreides had a Harkonnen banished for cowardice
after, the Battle of Corrin."

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Re: Chapter 02

Postby distrans » 25 Apr 2018 15:56

where is how the reading groups are supposed to work to be found?

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Re: Chapter 02

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