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    Chapter 01

    Postby Freakzilla » 21 Oct 2009 13:00

    Such a rich store of myths enfolds Paul Muad'dib, the Mentat Emperor, and his sister, Alia, it is difficult to see the real persons behind these veils. But there were, after all, a man born Paul Atreides and a woman born Alia. Their flesh was subject to space and time. And even though their oracular powers placed them beyond the usual limits of time and space, they came from human stock. They experienced real events which left real traces upon a real universe.
    To understand them, it must be seen that their catastrophe was the catastrophe of all mankind. This work is dedicated, then, not to Muad'dib or his sister, but to their heirs -- to all of us.

    -Dedication in the Muad'dib Concordance as copied from The Tabla Memorium of the Mahdi Spirit Cult

    This chapter is a recap of Dune and update of events since, from Analysis of History: Muad'dib by Bronso of Ix. It explains that Paul had been born into an ancient great family, received the Bene Gesserit deep training from his mother, was a mentat and the Kwisatz Haderach, through whom the Bene Gesserit hoped to control human destiny and became emperor by marrying the daughter of the emperor he defeated with his Fremen legions, ended the Guild monopoly, gave Alia the religious throne the Bene Gesserit had hoped for. Also, his Qizerate's 12 year jihad brought most of humanity under his rule. All due to capturing Arrakis, sole sorce of the spice which gave him prescience, empowers Reverend Mothers and Guild Navigators and without which billions of citizen would die from withdrawl. It tells us that the lethal trap of total prediction defeated Muad'dib, not the obvious Guild, Bene Gesserit and Tleilaxu plot, neither was it houshold spies, the Dune Tarot, Duncan Idaho's ghola or Korba's Qizerate Cabal.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Freakzilla » 16 Jan 2012 12:34

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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby publicano » 03 Apr 2012 09:09

    Does anyone here knows of an exhaustive Character List of DM?
    And I mean every character in the book, including somewhat obscure like Tecrube?

    Thanks a lot :P
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Apr 2012 10:12

    No, but if you find one, please share.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Serkanner » 03 Apr 2012 13:38

    publicano wrote:Does anyone here knows of an exhaustive Character List of DM?
    And I mean every character in the book, including somewhat obscure like Tecrube?

    Thanks a lot :P


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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Apr 2012 13:40

    I was just thinking that would be a good addition to the Reading Group. A list of characters with a link to a topic discussing just that character.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby publicano » 03 Apr 2012 13:50

    Freakzilla wrote:I was just thinking that would be a good addition to the Reading Group. A list of characters with a link to a topic discussing just that character.


    I think that would be great, since we could discuss the character in depth without having to focus on a particular chapter.

    Since some characters change their minds from one book to another, like, say, Alia or Irulan, separate topics for them in each Book's subforum would make perfect sense.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby georgiedenbro » 17 Aug 2014 02:23

    Damn...this guy seems to know a heck of a lot for someone alive during Paul's reign. For him to claim such conclusive knowledge of the events of the book to come, enough to think he knows for certain how to explain the events - how could he have these details? It's enough to almost make me think that the Dune books are in-universe documents, and that maybe Bronso read Dune and DM...
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Freakzilla » 17 Aug 2014 06:04

    Blasphemy! Irulan had nothing better to do than write books about Paul.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby georgiedenbro » 17 Aug 2014 09:51

    Heh, I know it's blasphemy, but really how else could he claim to know the things he knows? Honestly I'd rather ascribe it to Frank's desire to have a cool intro to the book and in so doing creating a slightly illogical premise (namely that this guy was some kind of fly on the wall of various secret meetings).

    Continuing my comment from Chapter 0...if Bronso knew about he conspiracy, and even knew that the BG and, Guild and BT were involved...and if this was all just as Paul was going to the desert or something...well damn! I mean even if he was magically right there watching the scene unfold at the end of DM and knew for sure about the presence of BT people...how in the world would he know the Guild or BG were involved?
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Freakzilla » 17 Aug 2014 10:07

    I think we can assume that since Paul had the universe by the balls, everyone wanted to dethrone him and conspiracies were common. The details Bronso knows does seem a little suspect, though.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Naib » 18 Aug 2014 09:50

    Freakzilla wrote:I think we can assume that since Paul had the universe by the balls, everyone wanted to dethrone him and conspiracies were common. The details Bronso knows does seem a little suspect, though.


    Agreed. A ruler of such power would inevitably have enemies that would conspire against his rule. As I said in the prelude thread, perhaps Bronso was a mentat.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby georgiedenbro » 18 Aug 2014 11:16

    Naib wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:I think we can assume that since Paul had the universe by the balls, everyone wanted to dethrone him and conspiracies were common. The details Bronso knows does seem a little suspect, though.


    Agreed. A ruler of such power would inevitably have enemies that would conspire against his rule. As I said in the prelude thread, perhaps Bronso was a mentat.


    I suppose you'd need to ask yourself how good a scholar a mentat would choose to be. Could he publish first approximation as 'history'? Need it be Prime Projection? Or just data and interpretation of that data, which is currently how we see the study of history? A mentat is nothing without data, so...where did he get his data from? That's basically my question. He didn't just assume a conspiracy; from both his tone and his specific intimations he seems to know a great deal more than he should just based on historical trends and conjecture. It's almost reads like he was there at those secret/private events.
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    Re: Chapter 01

    Postby Naib » 18 Aug 2014 12:31

    Perhaps he wasn't present, but was employed by one of the conspirators. I would suggest Irulan. She might have hired a mentat to assist her with her own works and Bronso became privy or was given details of the conspiracy (maybe to assist Irulan in her own plans).
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