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Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby NotOnasander » 20 Jan 2012 01:46

If Leto used brainwave technology to record his books, why couldn't the computer engineers of the scattering use the technology and reverse engineer the way it was triggered to calculate how Leto's Brainwaves work, and make a computer model off of that, showing how a symbolic-language based system could express Leto's conscious understanding of causality? It would be easy from that point on in hacking into the awareness in the worms and establishing cybernetic feedback mechanisms to interpret more and more information. The worms essentially were giant hard drives roaming around- the codex is literally in the machinery that made the crystal books. Once you have a functioning computerized God Emperor in a computer system, you can force evolve him to overcome Siona, and use that information to undue the golden path by establishing a new god emperor- a electronic based one contained in it's mainframe.

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Freakzilla » 20 Jan 2012 09:25

And why would you want to undue [sic] the Golden Path?
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby lotek » 20 Jan 2012 10:22

without further undue, the Golden Path ladies and gentlemen !
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Nekhrun » 20 Jan 2012 18:48

As stupid as this troll is, isn't that what the T-Probe does? Figures out your neural pathways and then basically creates a copy of you that can be examined?

I hooked one up to NotOnasander and it gave me back this:

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby SandChigger » 20 Jan 2012 19:00

NotOnasander wrote:the computer engineers of the scattering

The who? :roll:

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Serkanner » 20 Jan 2012 19:33

SandChigger wrote:
NotOnasander wrote:the computer engineers of the scattering

The who? :roll:


The scattered engineers of the computer?

or

The computer engineers of the scattered?

or

The scattered computers of the engineers?

or

the engineered computers of the engineered.

or ...

I can go on like this for like an entire Golden Path you know...
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby NotOnasander » 21 Jan 2012 02:11

You would undue it because of resentment dummies. Frank wrote a Nietzschean theme Novel, all the major powers, the BGs especially, were highly resentful of Leto and didn't understand the Golden Path anymore than the Apostles understood Jesus up until the crucifixion. The scattering weeded out the one's who could overcome their resentment towards Leto and figure out not they wielded the power what he was trying to do with it. It's how you seperate the humans from the herd. Most here are herd mentality creatures, which Frank abhorred. Resentment drives you towards countless absurdities and hatred..... it's people like you who would do it, the program simulation to screw with Leto and figure out how he got that much power, and then force evolve it to your own use. Adapa had to die, die, die again for not understanding, being tricked, and losing his opportunity. Duncan was his later redemption.

This is a sad and backwards Troll Forum. No one here even knows the basics of Dune. The resources on this website sucks, it's not as good as KJASF, I'm heading back there. Merritt was right about you all being dim witted losers. I'm out of this place, see you losers later.

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Postby Omphalos » 21 Jan 2012 03:53

You are so boring. And like we haven't seen the inside of the KJASF. :roll:

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Postby SandChigger » 21 Jan 2012 07:07

NotOnasander wrote:The resources on this website sucks, it's not as good as KJASF, I'm heading back there. Merritt was right about you all being dim witted losers. I'm out of this place, see you losers later.

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby lotek » 21 Jan 2012 09:09

Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Postby Freakzilla » 21 Jan 2012 09:54

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby SandRider » 21 Jan 2012 20:33

there are two obvious & glaring problems with the hypothesis in the OP,
but I am too much of dimwitted loser who does not understand the basics
of Dune to point them out ....
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Postby JimmytheT » 29 Jan 2012 19:43

SandRider wrote:there are two obvious & glaring problems with the hypothesis in the OP,
but I am too much of dimwitted loser who does not understand the basics
of Dune to point them out ....



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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby JustSomeGuy » 30 Jan 2012 00:30

Oh, don't go!
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby DragEgusku » 08 Feb 2012 17:52

Maybe I'm wrong, but sailed Ixian machine was not a computer capable of simulating prescience?
Me as it seemed, from what I read in God Emperor of Dune.

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Freakzilla » 08 Feb 2012 17:56

DragEgusku wrote:Maybe I'm wrong, but sailed Ixian machine was not a computer capable of simulating prescience?
Me as it seemed, from what I read in God Emperor of Dune.


Yes it was but the Navigator's prescience what linear and limited whereas Leto's was multilinear and multilooped.
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Visigoth » 09 Feb 2012 12:24

Freakzilla wrote:
DragEgusku wrote:Maybe I'm wrong, but sailed Ixian machine was not a computer capable of simulating prescience?
Me as it seemed, from what I read in God Emperor of Dune.


Yes it was but the Navigator's prescience what linear and limited whereas Leto's was multilinear and multilooped.

Did they ever turned on the machine?
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Freakzilla » 09 Feb 2012 13:50

Visigoth wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
DragEgusku wrote:Maybe I'm wrong, but sailed Ixian machine was not a computer capable of simulating prescience?
Me as it seemed, from what I read in God Emperor of Dune.


Yes it was but the Navigator's prescience what linear and limited whereas Leto's was multilinear and multilooped.

Did they ever turned on the machine?


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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby SandChigger » 09 Feb 2012 18:07

And spice-flavored Cheetos.

Don't forget them. ;)

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Freakzilla » 09 Feb 2012 19:58

SandChigger wrote:And spice-flavored Cheetos.

Don't forget them. ;)


That didn't come until AFTER The Famine Times. :roll:
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby DragEgusku » 15 Feb 2012 22:23

If Ixians could build a machine capable of simulating the prescience, it has many implications. One is that it suggests that prescience is essentially a process of calculation.
In other words, assuming that the prescience is possible, would mean that even our brain works as a machine, doing the calculations.
Does Frank Herbert has thought about it?

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Freakzilla » 16 Feb 2012 09:45

DragEgusku wrote:If Ixians could build a machine capable of simulating the prescience, it has many implications. One is that it suggests that prescience is essentially a process of calculation.
In other words, assuming that the prescience is possible, would mean that even our brain works as a machine, doing the calculations.
Does Frank Herbert has thought about it?


What did you think it was, magic? :P
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby DragEgusku » 16 Feb 2012 21:37

I do not think it's magic. But I had the impression that, according to Frank Herbert's conception, human thinking is profoundly different from thinking of a computer.
Our thinking is based on fluid continuum, while computers are based on sequential pulses. That's what I read in GEoD, and even seemed to express the opinion of Herbert.
But I can understand/extrapolated wrong.

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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby lotek » 17 Feb 2012 09:30

DragEgusku wrote:Our thinking is based on fluid continuum, while computers are based on sequential pulses. That's what I read in GEoD, and even seemed to express the opinion of Herbert.


could you provide the quotes if you have time ?
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Re: Computer Program Simulating Leto's Prescience

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Feb 2012 09:33

"Is automation synonymous with conscious intelligence?" he asked.
Anteac's eyes went wide and filmy as she withdrew into her memories. Leto found
himself caught by fascination with what she must be encountering there within
her own internal mob.
We share some of those memories, he thought.
Leto felt then the seductive attraction of community with Reverend Mothers. It
would be so familiar, so supportive. . . and so deadly. Anteac was trying to
lure him once more.
She spoke: "The machine cannot anticipate every problem of importance to humans.
It is the difference between serial bits and an unbroken continuum. We have the
one; machines are confined to the other."
"You still have the power of reason," he said.

~GEoD

You are correct, sir. But what does that have to do with the difference between prediction and calculation?
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