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Honored Matres & sexual enslavement

Postby artistagent116 » 19 May 2010 07:56

I am intrigued by the Honored Matres' abilities to prolong the sexual ecstasy which they provide to their men. It seems these men are not only the benefactors of unbounded pleasure, but are able to "maintain" *wink-wink* this level of felicity. The text indicates that this perpetuation of pleasure is the result of the Honored Matres' manipulation of their OWN muscles, not any feature of the mens' anatomies or psyches. No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to (Like Gordon Sumner is supposedly into) :roll: . Sooooooooooo, what's with these men? Why do they possess this "staying power"? What are your thoughts on this sexual enslavement/subversion? How do you justify this unrealistic aspect of these characters? Or........where can I sign up for Honored Matre classes?
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Re: Honored Matres & sexual enslavement

Postby lotek » 19 May 2010 08:17

I think it is not something specific to some men, but it is a potential that only an adept can reveal and use(HM or BG for that matter, considering their prana bindu control)

The HM don't seem to be as picky in their choice of men as the BG seem to be but that is just an impression, not yet based on anything solid.

There is a short story (whose title and author I forget but I will remember!), where some astronaut comes back from a matriarchal society in which men are kept as servants.
They possess a unique hunting technique: they take stones and shape their curve so that any creature with prehensile hands will stroke that point until nothing else matters and it is captured.
It becomes obvious these(very fat iirc)women use that to enslave their own men


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Postby Nekhrun » 19 May 2010 08:26

artistagent116 wrote:I am intrigued by the Honored Matres' abilities to prolong the sexual ecstasy which they provide to their men. It seems these men are not only the benefactors of unbounded pleasure, but are able to "maintain" *wink-wink* this level of felicity. The text indicates that this perpetuation of pleasure is the result of the Honored Matres' manipulation of their OWN muscles, not any feature of the mens' anatomies or psyches. No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to (Like Gordon Sumner is supposedly into) :roll: . Sooooooooooo, what's with these men? Why do they possess this "staying power"? What are your thoughts on this sexual enslavement/subversion? How do you justify this unrealistic aspect of these characters? Or........where can I sign up for Honored Matre classes?


I agree that it's a skill learned by prana bindu muscle training. If men received the training (Duncan) they'd have the skills as well. I think it's a realistic aspect that it is possible maybe not to enslave but pacify men. The bonobo primate females do this and I've seen footage of males stopping in mid-charge at another just stop and have sex with a female standing in the way then he calmed down and went about his business.

They have sex like humans hug or shake hands. None of them know which offspring are theirs so they they take care of each other.

If you were interested in trying this, I'm sure there are exercises you could do and a limitless supply of males willing to help with your research.
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Re: Honored Matres & sexual enslavement

Postby lotek » 19 May 2010 08:35

This
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Postby Nekhrun » 19 May 2010 08:38

Well, I guess it is now. You're welcome.
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Re: Honored Matres & sexual enslavement

Postby Apjak » 19 May 2010 14:15

I think it was more simplistic in that FH just went to the extreme end of sex addiction. If normal sex is as addictive as say nicotine, then the HM have made it into crack.
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Re: Honored Matres & sexual enslavement

Postby artistagent116 » 19 May 2010 21:38

Apjak wrote:I think it was more simplistic in that FH just went to the extreme end of sex addiction. If normal sex is as addictive as say nicotine, then the HM have made it into crack.


I thought normal sex WAS as addictive as nicotine (or crack). Just ask Tiger Woods. :naughty:

Seriously, though.......my point is in asking if these slaves were specially trained or chosen for their staying power or what??
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Postby Hunchback Jack » 19 May 2010 21:46

Normal sex? What about abnormal sex? More addictive than either, I reckon.

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Postby inhuien » 20 May 2010 04:38

We should also bare in mind that the Honoured Matres use other techniques than merely vaginal pules alone, they also utilise humming and sympathetic touches to heighten the intensity of the males orgasm trance state.
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Postby lotek » 20 May 2010 06:29

inhuien wrote:We should also bare in mind that the Honoured Matres use other techniques than merely vaginal pules alone, they also utilise humming and sympathetic touches to heighten the intensity of the males orgasm trance state.


forgot about the humming and touches(funny how humming is a recurrent theme in Dune)
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Postby SadisticCynic » 20 May 2010 07:53

No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to...


Info from the Face Dancers:

Face Dancer in Heretics of Dune wrote:"They went back to the primitive Tantric and developed their own ways
of sexual stimulation, Master. Through this, they accept the worship of
their followers."


Although that doesn't mean they used spirtual methods, just that this is where their inspiration comes from.
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Postby merkin muffley » 20 May 2010 13:41

I had a dream about a futar. I went to someone's house, and they had several black labs and a futar. They rushed to the door, I petted each of the dogs, and I didn't want to be rude to the futar, but I ended up saying, "I'm sorry, man. This is too weird for me." And no, I've never been in a Turkish prison. Maybe I should've posted this in the cheesecake discussion.

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Postby MrFlibble » 20 May 2010 14:24

Back on topic, I don't think it is mentioned anywhere that HMs sexual practices involved a prolonged coitus - just the extremely intense pleasure on the male participant's side (remember how Murbella desperately tries to stay calm and not give to feelings during Duncan's "seduction" when she became seduced herself?) that made it addictive. Any male except those trained by Duncan would be affected by this, but HMs chose only important people whom they would control this way.
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Re: Honored Matres & sexual enslavement

Postby inhuien » 21 May 2010 03:36

MrFlibble wrote:...I don't think it is mentioned anywhere that HMs sexual practices involved a prolonged coitus...
And it's not mentioned in this thread either, iirc the HM Basher/Majordomo was only away for a matter of minutes maybe 10.
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Postby MrFlibble » 21 May 2010 06:33

Oh, I thought this was about the prolonged coitus:
artistagent116 wrote:I am intrigued by the Honored Matres' abilities to prolong the sexual ecstasy which they provide to their men. It seems these men are not only the benefactors of unbounded pleasure, but are able to "maintain" *wink-wink* this level of felicity. The text indicates that this perpetuation of pleasure is the result of the Honored Matres' manipulation of their OWN muscles, not any feature of the mens' anatomies or psyches. No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to (Like Gordon Sumner is supposedly into) :roll: . Sooooooooooo, what's with these men? Why do they possess this "staying power"?

Sorry if I was wrong.
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Postby A Little Galach » 21 May 2010 09:35

artistagent116 wrote:I am intrigued by the Honored Matres' abilities to prolong the sexual ecstasy which they provide to their men. It seems these men are not only the benefactors of unbounded pleasure, but are able to "maintain" *wink-wink* this level of felicity. The text indicates that this perpetuation of pleasure is the result of the Honored Matres' manipulation of their OWN muscles, not any feature of the mens' anatomies or psyches. No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to (Like Gordon Sumner is supposedly into) :roll: . Sooooooooooo, what's with these men? Why do they possess this "staying power"? What are your thoughts on this sexual enslavement/subversion? How do you justify this unrealistic aspect of these characters? Or........where can I sign up for Honored Matre classes?


If you're having a hard time accepting this as "realistic" you probably are reading the wrong series of books. You know, since Other Memory, Presience, Sexual Imprinting, 300-year old human computers, magic spice as a by-product from giant desert worms, an immortal worm-man and shape-shifting genetically-created people are all central to the plots of books 1-5.

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Postby artistagent116 » 21 May 2010 10:12

If you're having a hard time accepting this as "realistic" you probably are reading the wrong series of books. You know, since Other Memory, Presience, Sexual Imprinting, 300-year old human computers, magic spice as a by-product from giant desert worms, an immortal worm-man and shape-shifting genetically-created people are all central to the plots of books 1-5.



No, I'm not having a hard time accepting this as "realistic" at all. I simply stated that I am intrigued by the concept. I merely ask you other members your thoughts on how this sexual encounter longevity might be accomplished. When you read my post, you evidently missed my cheek - the one with my tongue in it.
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Freakzilla wrote:http://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/relationships/259026/Kama-Sutra-positions



"The Pair of Tongs"??!!?? "The Pair of Tongs"??!!?? I got a cramp just LOOKING at that one!
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artistagent116 wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:http://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/relationships/259026/Kama-Sutra-positions



"The Pair of Tongs"??!!?? "The Pair of Tongs"??!!?? I got a cramp just LOOKING at that one!


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Postby lotek » 21 May 2010 12:50

in (the) shape of a tong?
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Postby inhuien » 21 May 2010 14:34

MrFlibble wrote:Oh, I thought this was about the prolonged coitus:
artistagent116 wrote:I am intrigued by the Honored Matres' abilities to prolong the sexual ecstasy which they provide to their men. It seems these men are not only the benefactors of unbounded pleasure, but are able to "maintain" *wink-wink* this level of felicity. The text indicates that this perpetuation of pleasure is the result of the Honored Matres' manipulation of their OWN muscles, not any feature of the mens' anatomies or psyches. No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to (Like Gordon Sumner is supposedly into) :roll: . Sooooooooooo, what's with these men? Why do they possess this "staying power"?

Sorry if I was wrong.

Okay child, sit down I see you missed the Birds and Bees chat. Coitus=Fucking, Ecstasy=Orgasm.

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:D I'm just going out for some nice food, don't want the guilt of being a bastard to spoil my dinner. :)
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Postby Tleszer » 21 May 2010 15:38

inhuien wrote:
MrFlibble wrote:Oh, I thought this was about the prolonged coitus:
artistagent116 wrote:I am intrigued by the Honored Matres' abilities to prolong the sexual ecstasy which they provide to their men. It seems these men are not only the benefactors of unbounded pleasure, but are able to "maintain" *wink-wink* this level of felicity. The text indicates that this perpetuation of pleasure is the result of the Honored Matres' manipulation of their OWN muscles, not any feature of the mens' anatomies or psyches. No tantric or other spiritual aids are eluded to (Like Gordon Sumner is supposedly into) :roll: . Sooooooooooo, what's with these men? Why do they possess this "staying power"?

Sorry if I was wrong.

Okay child, sit down I see you missed the Birds and Bees chat. Coitus=Fucking, Ecstasy=Orgasm.

Edit to add:
:D I'm just going out for some nice food, don't want the guilt of being a bastard to spoil my dinner. :)


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Postby MrFlibble » 22 May 2010 09:56

Tleszer wrote:And here I thought inhuien was our very own guilt-caster.

You've got work more on that, as I don't feel guilty at all :P When I said "sorry", I was just being polite (something not everyone here seems to be accustomed to :P)
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